Leaves Pointing up during Light & Dark period!

Forgive any perception of commercialism Acadien; people are on hyper alert as the site migrates into mainstream cyberspace and we have had a few salespeople visit. Spotting them and bots is something of a recreation sport in the garden;so i am sure no malice intended.

We are as curious as you about what your plants are doing? lol, nigel

Forgive any perception of commercialism Acadien; people are on hyper alert as the site migrates into mainstream cyberspace and we have had a few salespeople visit. Spotting them and bots is something of a recreation sport in the garden;so i am sure no malice intended.

We are as curious as you about what your plants are doing? lol, nigel

Well, honestly I really don’t think that I tried anything to actually rectify the problem.

The only thing I can think of is; since the start of using this seaweed concoction “looking back at my calendar” From the beginning, I stopped using it after the 3rd week of bloom due to this extreme praying of leaves concerns. After removing it from my feeding regime the leaves seem to relax just a bit after a few days but the end result shows that something had happened. More Yield, taste seems to be a bit sweeter, and significantly less tying had taken place although yield had increased, the only thing I can think of for the “less” tying bit, is that branches are possibly stronger for some reason “I guess!”..

I rack my brain every day trying to figure out what else I might have chanced in my process that could cause this but I just really can’t think of anything else I changed.

Referring back to your question; “What have you already tried to rectify this problem?” I am still not sure I have a problem! It just does not look natural, I only know that something looks different than it did in the past, and yet everything ends up just great.

A good friend "that also grows" keeps telling me that I should get my well water checked, LOL. He thinks that there must be something in my water "minerals or what ever" that does something to my plants that others do not have that cause my plants to thrive like that. "now that's funny" but then again.............!

I started this thread with concerns for plant health and end product quality, but now I am not sure I should have been concerned at all. I know that there are much smarter people than me out there and had hoped that someone had already come across similar things and had a simple fix for me, but I am starting to think that maybe it don't really need fixing at all! Maybe it's just finally all comething together.

PS: One tip for everyone; My room is very clean, there use to be an influx of people "friends" going from one grow to another to another etc. etc., and everybody had the same problem at all times, one had trips, we all had trips, one had mites we all had mites; one had mould we all had mould. Some of my friends are not happy because they are not permitted in my room. But, now that I do not let all these people through my grow room I do not have any more problems.
In addition to that, "my local hydroponic store owner" laughs at this one, but, I try to NOT to go to the hydroponics store very often, just think about it; Everyone that has a problem goes to that store for a fix, so for me, the worst environment to go to, to carry crap home to my clean room is the hydro store as everyone goes there for a fix to their problem. KEEP A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR MEDICAL GROW.

Yah nigel, I suppose your right, and I apologize for jumping on that one so quick also, I can see where that could come from. I just got a brain wave on things due to a couple of influential people actually purchasing some of this from me and currently trying it out on their grows and already seem to like what they see, I was told that I should actually bottle this as it could sell. “but the fact remains, is it this concoction or is it something else entirely, or is it that everything is just dialed in!”.

"I dont know who is who here so if I offended anyone that is reading this by posting a link to Nute Shots, that has the authority to remove that link to Nute Shots please feel free to do so, no prob.

My plants are doing just GREAT, I don’t know what else I could do to make them look any better!



PS: If someone could tell me how to get that GREAT bud smell out of the room, my wife would greately appreciate it. lol

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You're right, you shouldn't be stressed about it. You could do nothing and end up with a sweet harvest. Maybe it's nothing...but I sure like to play at it being something.

I was leaning towards maybe slightly too much nitrogen. You said you gave extra grow nutes to push them. Seaweed, amoung many positive things, also has N. Too much N causes the vascular transport tissue to break down and water uptake is restricted. You might also have kind of soft leaves? They should be almost rough and grab your finger if you push against them, towards the stem. You also have purpling stems, which isn't a guaratee to anything really, but can mean something.

When you put them under 12/12, how long before you see good solid top formation?

Well, I don't seem to have any uptake restriction or seen any other lockup signs at all, everything seems good, leaves are great, not soft at all, and if you look at the images earlier on in this thread you will see that when the were pointing up in such an excessive manner, it would most likely not be if my leaves were that soft! Just like you say, rough like, or sort of like a saw feeling when you rub your fingers along the sides of the leaves.

The purpling of the stems is definitely there, but everything else seem A ok.

As far as top formation, I don’t really know the exact date that I start seeing any significant signs of top formation; maybe at 1-1/2 weeks or so after flip "didn't really take notice of days in, I was just glad to see that it was happenning".
If you look at this earlier thread post the images I posted on this page were taken at 22 days in on 12 / 12. -http://buymarijuanaseeds.com/community/threads/leaves-pointing-up-during-light-dark-period.149886/page-4 everything looks just great...

Just sharing thoughts. Doesn't have to be right. I see one of your larger fan leaves that is excessively yellow, which points to a mobile nutrient. Considering your schedule I doubt very much that it's deficient and would lean more towards an unbalanced diet. Also a few tips here and there that seem burnt and another couple seem to curl back at the tip. I would guess personally the tips and curls to be from "pushing" them.
'Uptake restriction' doesn't necessarily need to be noticable. Your leaves hanging the way the do and your stems being brittle enough to snap, is a sign of the plant not being able to utilize a certain nutrient properly. Redish stems can be a sign of the plant not getting enough/not being able to use enough phosphorous. Phosphorous is a componenent in many things, incluiding a lot of protiens. Nitrogen regulates the plants abilty to make protiens, therefore an inproper balance of nitrogen can directly effect proper utilization of phosphorous. Phosphorous effects older leaves towards the middle of the plant first. Too much P can also effect a lot of thing, but takes a lot of time to surface, appearing most often as zinc def. and also commonly and magnesium def, which is easy to mistake for nitrogen def in early stages. I'm also seeing slight tacoing in your younger leaves.

Anyway, this isn't a post to scare you. Your plants are not dying. You are on the right track, you did notice something and you're not wrong. The trick is figuring what it is. I recommend trying things one at a time if possible to pinpoint the solution. If it were me, I'd cut back on N and see what it did for me. If nothing maybe try cutting back on P. It's difficult sometimes even after getting things dialed in to see the change in already effected plants. Most importantly I would recommend trying something different in the next grow around. Finding out how to keep it from happening all together is the best way to know for certain you found what was happening in your plants.

Best of luck.

someone's been smoking frop again! stay away from that stuff!

gotta register myself as in the "enjoying this thread and it's duration immensely" crowd. leaves up = happy plant. whatever you're doing, it's okay, quit worrying.

Thank you for your very scientific explaination.

What is frop?

The problem was that leaves are hanging often...or did I see that incorrectly? Though I don't disagree, you could keep on keeping on and you would probably not be disappointed with your results. Just trying to help with what was asked. Some people aren't happy with good enough, they like perfect.