other drug production will go up

and be honest

god reads your mind and sees your soul anyway?



right?

I don't think so. Just because somebody is doing something illegal, doesn't mean they don't have morals. I hate meth and people that smoke it. The other drugs people on here are doing appear to be in responsible use. I think if MJ growers did switch, it'd be mushrooms. And I can't wait for they day everybody's eating mushrooms after work and to cure psychological issues. Hell, if a huge increase in the availability of mushrooms was a guaranteed consequence of Prop 19, I'd vote yes. Because after everybody eats 'em, they might become conscious.

Yup, if 19 passes I'll be giving out mushrooms instead of weed. Fuck it, I'll start handing em out if 19 fails.

That's my boy

well, ive done meth

and speed, sure it was fun forawhile, doing lasertag or something, but i didnt like how it kept me up after i took it, maybe a day later, im still up, feeling lousy and still unable to sleep.

but ive known people that were just fine the next day and really loved doing it.

1 guy for example, only fought if a matter of honor, had a son of his own, worked like a mofo and bought a big house for the money that he refurnished and leased out rooms in.

seen the guy with a horrible deathmask looking face, from doing so much speed, that the face was just stuck in a rictus. still came over and said hi and was a nice guy, courteous and polite.

worked out too. had quite the body and was a ladykiller for sure.

yet he plugged his nose alot

it isnt the drugs, its the people (but mostly the life they lead and the options they have had in life (plus the rolemodels and so on)

Sso:

I don't think we humans must be perfect to achieve Heaven.. However, I believe that we must abide by Jesus' teachings to obtain Heaven.. Not the entire Bible of course.. No human can obtain that perfection.

I believe that if we love each other. Do what we can to help others. If we get angry, don't go to extremes. Simply.. Take control of the anger.. Not allow it to fully consume you..

We humans are allowed to make mistakes. That is how we learn. If we were created by God.. Then he should know that we can, and will, make mistakes. If they are simple.. Un-fulfilled threats to calm oneself down.. I believe that by our own actions, we can repent in the eyes of God.. Not by going to church.. Speaking to a priest. Whatever you may believe/have.

If we hurt somebody.. But later try and help them.. Do what you can to help them.. I believe in the eyes of God, it's repentance.

I don't think anybody is truly deserving of Heaven.. For if it's as wonderful as the claims say, how are we supposed to earn that here on Earth? I think it's through Gods mercy.. and our willingness to help those that He brings into our life, that we earn it. Matters of the heart and soul, not that of our Earthly actions..

I think I fear Hell, yes. I will admit that. I think we all fear Hell. Whether it's in the Biblical sense, or within the moral sense. I'd like to say that we have both within us. It's just a matter of listening to ones' heart. Listening to what it's saying.. Shouting even. If your heart says to stay away from somebody.. Then perhaps that's Gods way.. or an Angels' way of saying that they're going to hurt you.. They're the wrong person to accept into your life. Though you should still respect them, for they're just like you and everyone else.

A personality all their own.. Morals all their own.. Love all their own.

As for loving or fearing.. It could be both. I will admit that I'm young, and don't quite understand my heart yet. From the first thing that comes to mind.. I would say that I love Him for everything He's done. Every person that He's brought into my life..

But he's also shown me that He can take them away just as fast as they came in. I nearly lost the person I love the most that I've loved anybody on this Earth.. He's taken away family members and I've seen the depression it causes the passed ones' immediate family to grieve..

I believe in that sense.. I fear Him for what he can give me, he can take away more.

I'd imagine that He can read our minds, and see our souls, yes . I'd also imagine that he can see our hearts' intent.. Whether we are truly bound to hatred or if we are able to overcome and help. I think he will send us into a depression like state.. Take things away from us.. To teach us. To strengthen us. In return.. I think that one day.. Not in our timeline, but when He sees fit, that He will return to us the happiness, and make our lives.. Each one of us individually... Better then what we left.

How about you, Sso? What's your take on this? Can you fear and love a God? What's your take on this thought?

The thought that one day.. The Earth will crack and the Evil One.. The devil, satan, will rise? Those that have been touched by God will be the ones chosen (God never "sends" somebody. He chooses.) to held defend and create a better world? Those that were accepted into Heaven.. Those that God sees are Heaven bound.. The ones' God knows are Heaven bound.


Nothing in our lives are set in stone.. Everything is fluid. You guide your life by the way you read your Heart. I believe the Heart a person has.. The heart that a person understands.. Is the key to Heaven. Not going to church every weekend.. Not by giving -everything- you have to help.. But by your actions, by the way you allow your heart to guide you.

well, i did a kabbala meditation once.

supposed to take 50 years and a candle

it connects you to god.

the way i did it was just to imagine endless light, everywhere but invisible while i laid back and relaxed my body.

and suddenly there was this peace, this quiet, this joy.

so hey, but there was no want, no desire, no need.

no interest, just being.

and nothing else.

but my take on fearing god, yes i feared god taking my love away.

but here is the point, my love is the only one that saved me.

life was meaningless without her and worthless, i had allready given it up.

everything, i basically stayed around because othervise who'd take care of my cats? well and the cannabis.

but it had come to the point, well they are cats and can take care of themselves and the plants, well ill just harvest them and not start another batch.

so i did this one last thing for my brother and then was gonna come home and kill myself (the favour required coming home..)

i was gonna kill myself with helium, nice way to go, no pain and just fall asleep.

id had enough of pain, mental, emotional or physical.

but there 9000km away from home, there was the love of my life.

cant bear the thought of leaving her or her leaving me.

nothing else for me.

though in actuality meeting her has given me a new hesitant sense of joy in life. though not much actual interest.

doesnt matter anyway, if i dont spend all the time with her i can, i am a bloody fool

see ,any god that would take that away?

would i hate him or her or it?

no, id just go to sleep

why?

no point in being awake or alive.

see if things are always horrible, eventually you just give up hope .

and hope? hope can be a worthless thing.

its the other side of fearing things wont go as you hoped. and if things always go bad, what is hope but shit?

so

you gotta just be, let go of the future and past

and be in the now.

forget about god, he isnt here now. so just be happy

figure out to be happy, because happy, truly happy (and im not talking about some sick pleasure like revenge)

you cant harm anyone (well unless they make you unhappy, but why do you want to be around people that make you persistently unhappy?)



its about being happy. forget about other people and figure out your own happy.

well, actually i would storm the very gates of heaven if god took away my love.

but since the thought is actually ridiculous, i suppose id just kill myself

but love taking away love, i dont know, seems ridiculous too

in romeo and juliet, it was the actions of other people that killed them (denied them to marry)

and their own inability to just escape together. (or the writers to conceive of that, maybe he just hadnt experienced true love..)

not god.

so you could say just as easily, if the world takes away my love, the world aint worth shit..

and something so worthless, you just drop and walk away.

or in my case kill myself and go look on the other side.

my wife is someone, thats always happy to see me.

forgives me anything.

and happy to care for me, do for me and help me.

she is the most beautiful woman in the world to me.

and im always happy to see her

and i forgive her anything

and im always happy to care for her, do for her and help her.

im the most beautiful man in the world to her.

we will have no other.

its impossible to even think of being with another woman.

it hurts the heart and dick and boggles the mind.

sure i have friends and family but they cant sustain me

the same my love for my wife and her love for me does.

no way no how.

they got their own loved ones. (or should)

and they dont love me the same.

even if i had a kid and couldnt leave them because a child needs a father

id still be just waiting to die, so i could follow her into the great clearing.

because the kids dont need their parents as much as they will their wifer or husband.

even the friends are really more intimate to them

a good father is essential (or at least very beneficial( humm at best))

but, you dont want the father always around (or the mother)

and you want to strike out on your own, create your own family, as all do.

and the father falls into the background, someone to call on for help and see at christmas or whatnot.

even if the father is a great guy, still you want your own house (and your own rules )

unlike my wife, my love. for whom id never fall into the background, nor she mine.

and i didnt marry my wife because she's hot, nice and the same as me.
same clever, same good, same kind and same caring.

no that was all just actually a bonus.

when i first saw my wife, this feeling of love in my heart overwhelmed me, i couldnt talk or do anything.

just stare as she walked into the room (and this feeling begin before i saw more than a shoe starting to come into the room..)

and this need to be with her, that has not lessened, even more than 2 years later.

and ive just come to love her more and more.

where does god come into this

well actually my thoughts on god are rather complex

without love, the world is just worthless.

and love is feeling, not a person.

you can know many things in your hearts, but all hearts are connected (as well as all minds, well, you could say everything is connected but the heart is the greatest reciever and sender and where does god come into that?)

(well perhaps the creator of it all, but maybe all the religions are bullshit, at best some interesting ideas on how to be a person

like saying, if you havent got love you aint got shit (misquoted quote from jesus))

but maybe the world always existed (maybe not this planet, but apparantly stars are born all the time and same for planets and matter or energy (interchangable) can not be actually destroyed, just changed in form, so that means energy lasts forever and so actually can not have a beginning nor end, (because if you cant have an end, how can you have a beginning)

and if you are energy, well, then can not the same be said of you, that you have always existed and always will?

and where then comes god into that?

except in thinking of us as molecules in the body of god?

do you punish your molecules or see to it that they are allright?

its your molecules, part of you.

even that is a stretch of the imagination and possibly a story.

but what are stories but a way to figure out the universe and ourselves?

and stories evolve. become greater or repeat till we understand them and get bored with them.

why dont we remember eternity?

maybe so we can focus more on this life.

but even stories are worthless without love

and love isnt love till its true love.

go find your own and forget god. or at least just make it a hobby, not something to be feared.

at best a nice father figure ( a wise and understanding father that understands that you have to let your child go its own way, let its mistakes be its own punishment)

not an evil boss figure, or heavyhanded brute of a father..

on how to find true love.

well i noticed long ago, that all the best girls in my life

just happened, i wasnt looking or anything.

and when i actually looked, i didnt find girls that were as good for me.

but what isnt true love, doesnt last and after a few failed relationships, i went

if it aint true love, fuckit.

and waited.

7 years later , when i had given up all hope and even desire or want or need for life.

hello.

Well said, my friend, well said . I do believe you've beat me to the draw though

There's not much left to say that wouldn't be already repeating what you've said, and said well.


Whether we believe in a God, or whether we believe in just ourselves.. There still needs to be a way to promote ideas of Love, of Hope, of Peace. To give those with no hope, some hope.

Though, with the part of God bringing them into your life.. I think He guides you in all paths. He puts obstacles in the paths that will make you stronger.. Through these obstacles, He gives you the chance to bring somebody into your life.. Whether they stay or go, I will agree, is on your own terms. I think he does it to help you study your own self.

I think He'll put things in your way.. Take things away.. Bring better things your way.. But it's all up to you on what to do with what you're given.

Though nobody knows what plans He has for oneself, the human race, or the entire Earth. Regardless of the unknown, we should still follow the guidelines that have been brought forth. Be it through actual Divine Intervention.. or ideas thought up by man. Men that all had the same ideologies. To show people hope. To show people there's a better way.

If they're right? Then by all means.. We will celebrate in Heaven, or dine in hell. If they're wrong.. At least we'll be able to leave behind a reputation.. Whatever reputation you decide to leave for yourself. If they were wrong.. Who's gonna complain?


Though for your love.. I don't believe He would be so cruel to take something away, after you've been so near the edge. Nearly crossing the line.. If He did, would that not make him a merciless God? Not a loving God. At least in my eyes.

If you want to look at it this way.. Perhaps He drove you to the edge to show you what it's like.. Then brought an amazing person into your life. Somebody that you care about so profusely, that you wouldn't be able to truly cross that line again. Thus being able to show you the other paths.. While bringing you onto a new path.. A path to a better life, I guess.

I could say some things about the afterlife.. Things I probably won't say here, but in PM, sure. Things that would make the other members think I'm batshit insane



Though.. If there is no God.. Who's to say it's a bad thing? Look at what some of the amazing things some churches do..


Once again though.. If we're wrong, and there is no God.. Who's going to complain? For me though.. I believe there is an Almighty God. A God that guides us, but does not spoil us. Punishes us when we're wrong, and praises and rewards us when we've done good.

I know this forum isn't exactly religion friendly.. I've seen a lot of religion hate.. But I'm not worried about any hate I get. It's simply an opinion. An opinion over the internet at that. We all have that right. Regardless of skin color, gender, morals, etc. In the end, what does it matter what opinions you get, as long as you can form your own? Something that you accept. Something that makes you happy. Like you said.. We all need to find our own happiness. I doubt God, luck, karma, whatever will just drop it in your hands. It's all a matter of the work you're willing to do to make it.